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This is trending on FB. All I can think is... so what? let them starve themselves if they choose is that terrible? I mean, seriously... "Release our leaders or we starve ourselves!!!"
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I want to see the full list of demands. With the state of our prison system I don't necessarily trust Joe Schmoe reporter to give the important information.
Which isn't to say that I side with the inmates either, I just need more information before I make a decision
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Yeah, what you're saying makes sense. Reporters like sensationalism, anything to get peoples' attention...
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The way the word it is so vague and sensationalized. "Release of gang leaders from another maximum security unit"....as in free them, or as in "bring my homie back?" Why were they sent to another facility? They don't even tell us the name of it...which is suspect to me. Is it a facility that is notorious for mistreatment of inmates?
Who is actually going to ask these questions?

And what does "Documented gang members" mean? Because it sounds like a bunch of PR bull~POOP~.

Honestly, when I think of a hardened criminal making outrageous demands...a hunger strike is not how I envision them handling it. I want to know what their other demands are before they are discredited.
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I'm glad i posted this, because I hadn't thought of all the things you mentioned, but you make excellent points. I love coming to CDN to have discussions about current events because I learn SO much, other gals here think of things I never would.
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I'm glad i posted this, because I hadn't thought of all the things you mentioned, but you make excellent points. I love coming to CDN to have discussions about current events because I learn SO much, other gals here think of things I never would.
I'm glad you did too because I may not have seen the story otherwise
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Is it wrong that a huff post commenter made me chuckle when he said:
These scamps are adorable! It's Utah, which means the gangs are all white and use super-soakers in drive byes. Either that or they got caught drinking Dr.Pepper.
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I guess I see it differently... I don't understand how people can take gang violence lightly. I guess I understand getting a kick out of making fun of Utah and Mormons - I grew up there (and I don't ever want to live there again!) and I am one, but I personally can't take gang violence lightly, no matter where it happens. I don't mean that to be a jab at you, Kelly, I just see it differently than some people.
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These aren't gangsters LOL. Al Capone was a gangster. These are bunch of scared wanna be "gang bangers" who are under the impression that they are cool. They are a bunch of thugs and nothing more. Killing innocent people in drive by's. Terrorizing neighborhoods of people who don't want anything to do with their life style. So is there harm in letting them starve themselves?
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These aren't gangsters LOL. Al Capone was a gangster. These are bunch of scared wanna be "gang bangers" who are under the impression that they are cool. They are a bunch of thugs and nothing more. Killing innocent people in drive by's. Terrorizing neighborhoods of people who don't want anything to do with their life style. So is there harm in letting them starve themselves?


I get this, I really do. But I just...maybe it's because I spent a week living with girls in a gang who were just terrified punk-ass kids that didn't believe there could ever be anything else for them other than their affiliation.
We watch ~POOP~ like Freedom Writers and we feel bad for the kids
We watch Orange is the New Black and form emotional bonds to fictional characters who have done horrible things and we root for them because we get their back story...we see them as a whole "person"
But when it's a half-ass reported news story about actual, real live people whose stories we don't know, not even a little, we say "tough ~POOP~ you dirtbag" and go on with our lives.
I don't get it
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I guess I see it differently... I don't understand how people can take gang violence lightly. I guess I understand getting a kick out of making fun of Utah and Mormons - I grew up there (and I don't ever want to live there again!) and I am one, but I personally can't take gang violence lightly, no matter where it happens. I don't mean that to be a jab at you, Kelly, I just see it differently than some people.
oh I care! I"m sort of in the "so who cares ift hey go on hunger strike?" camp
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Kelly, my comment was directed more at the person whose comment you quoted, I guess. IDK, as I said my initial reaction was "so, who cares if they choose to starve?" but I dunno.
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I get this, I really do. But I just...maybe it's because I spent a week living with girls in a gang who were just terrified punk-ass kids that didn't believe there could ever be anything else for them other than their affiliation.
We watch ~POOP~ like Freedom Writers and we feel bad for the kids
We watch Orange is the New Black and form emotional bonds to fictional characters who have done horrible things and we root for them because we get their back story...we see them as a whole "person"
But when it's a half-ass reported news story about actual, real live people whose stories we don't know, not even a little, we say "tough ~POOP~ you dirtbag" and go on with our lives.
I don't get it
Yeah I get that people commit crimes. And most have a target. I cannot in any way get behind a crime that revolves around killing innocent people. I have a cousin who did serious time for manslaughter. It would have been murder if the intended target was killed. He got his life right with the Lord and I have forgiven him and am over the hate and dislike I had for him. He now does Prison ministry and helps them turn their lives around. These guys aren't reforming or even wanting a new life. Most get sent to jail to recruit new gang members.

I may be in the minority but I don't feel sorry for these thugs who have ripped apart innocent families in their quests. Even their own mothers and fathers who raised them much better than this. Prison documentaries are one of my favorites and I watch them more than anything else. They have opened my eyes a bit. Do I love OITNB of course. But that is all fictional and I treat it as such. Most of their stories do paint a backstory of things that just went wrong. Not intentions to kill, steal, and destroy everything in their paths. That is what thugs do.
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Is it wrong that a huff post commenter made me chuckle when he said:
These scamps are adorable! It's Utah, which means the gangs are all white and use super-soakers in drive byes. Either that or they got caught drinking Dr.Pepper.
I take issue with the commenter idea that because an area is all white, the crime is nothing to worry about. I bought my cabin in a 95% white town, and let me tell you that although there are no gangs, there are many more meth busts than in Miami, and well, the child abuse stories that I read coming out of that little town are horrific.
And let's not forget that kid that shot the mom a few months ago in Reno or some place like that. It seemed like a pretty normal white suburb but then you had people using the local playground to tell drugs.
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I get this, I really do. But I just...maybe it's because I spent a week living with girls in a gang who were just terrified punk-ass kids that didn't believe there could ever be anything else for them other than their affiliation.
We watch ~POOP~ like Freedom Writers and we feel bad for the kids
We watch Orange is the New Black and form emotional bonds to fictional characters who have done horrible things and we root for them because we get their back story...we see them as a whole "person"
But when it's a half-ass reported news story about actual, real live people whose stories we don't know, not even a little, we say "tough ~POOP~ you dirtbag" and go on with our lives.
I don't get it
I'm pretty sure a good writer and director and actors could make a movie about a child rapists and make me feel like he is a "whole person". Movies are meant to manipulate our feelings. Just because I can be entertained by OITNB doesn't mean I want people like that freed.
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