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Old 04-14-2014, 07:45 PM
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Do you ever feel that you are underestimating your kid's ability to participate in "normal" schooling?

I am not sure that makes sense. I am still processing and maybe just need others to process with me.

DD is currently diagnosed HF SPD/ASD with anxiety. She has been at a co-op this year. She has made great strides socially. They have a kindergarten program, 4 half days a week, but it is $230 per month and we cannot afford that. We were just able to pay the pre-k amount because we could do so pre-tax from our HSA thanks to her behavioral psych writing us a recommendation for it. We can't do that for K though because it isn't an optional education age, and the price is $80 more on top of that. But their K program is great - they prepare them for reading, math, etc in fun ways but they also get to PLAY a lot.

We went to a meeting today with her teachers from her public school where she gets OT, speech, etc, and the township's ASD specialist. It was at the building where she would go if she attended public school. The people were all great and went out of their way to find ways to accommodate DD. They will let us set how many hours she goes and can do half days if we want. They will also continue her IEP and do OT, speech, and social groups.

BUT. The Kindergarten teacher stressed several times that her class isn't and can't be what we knew as kids. That she doesn't have a single toy in her classroom, because the only playing is at 2 half hour recess periods per day. They do work all day. Reading and literacy in the morning, and math in the afternoon.

Neither DH nor I are comfortable with that. 5 year olds having to work and not play pretty much ALL DAY LONG? It is crazy. DD spends most of her time at pre-k playing and pretending - role-play is a big deal to her. She can do some school work, but is quickly ready to move on or melts down.

I've waffled for months on HSing. DH is very hesitant. He's seen how much DD has improved being at her preschool this year (first year at any kind of school). She loves school. We don't want to hold her back. But I feel like it is either HS at this point (since the co-op is financially out), or public school but fight them for years on end about the amount of work they want kids to do, and the hours they require. I know they will allow us to only have her go even 2 hrs per day if we want, but come 1st grade they won't do that. She would have to go full day. And it seems unfair to her to get her excited about school and then have her stop going after K when the hours would bump up.

In addition my DD has not been vaxxed since 18 months I think? And would have to be caught up to attend the co-op (they won't accept opting out unless you belong to a legitimate religious organization known to refuse vaxxing ) or deal with the school about that.

I don't know what I am looking for...just any thoughts? Any options or points I might be missing? Thanks if you read this whole thing, btw, even if you don't respond.
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Old 04-14-2014, 07:53 PM
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I struggled with this for my SN girl. How to pick the best option that encourages her out of her limitations but doesn't get so hard she gives up.

I would find a way to do the coop. Anyone you could ask for help? Any programs that give out grants? Our Child Find office had a $1000 grant per kid. Maybe your town had that?

If it doesn't work out the if do half day kindy in PS and be ready to limit any homework required. Get it in the IEP and make sure he has a decompress spot in the room so he can retreat when learning gets too hard
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Do you ever feel that you are underestimating your kid's ability to participate in "normal" schooling?

I am not sure that makes sense. I am still processing and maybe just need others to process with me.

DD is currently diagnosed HF SPD/ASD with anxiety. She has been at a co-op this year. She has made great strides socially. They have a kindergarten program, 4 half days a week, but it is $230 per month and we cannot afford that. We were just able to pay the pre-k amount because we could do so pre-tax from our HSA thanks to her behavioral psych writing us a recommendation for it. We can't do that for K though because it isn't an optional education age, and the price is $80 more on top of that. But their K program is great - they prepare them for reading, math, etc in fun ways but they also get to PLAY a lot.

We went to a meeting today with her teachers from her public school where she gets OT, speech, etc, and the township's ASD specialist. It was at the building where she would go if she attended public school. The people were all great and went out of their way to find ways to accommodate DD. They will let us set how many hours she goes and can do half days if we want. They will also continue her IEP and do OT, speech, and social groups.

BUT. The Kindergarten teacher stressed several times that her class isn't and can't be what we knew as kids. That she doesn't have a single toy in her classroom, because the only playing is at 2 half hour recess periods per day. They do work all day. Reading and literacy in the morning, and math in the afternoon.

Neither DH nor I are comfortable with that. 5 year olds having to work and not play pretty much ALL DAY LONG? It is crazy. DD spends most of her time at pre-k playing and pretending - role-play is a big deal to her. She can do some school work, but is quickly ready to move on or melts down.

I've waffled for months on HSing. DH is very hesitant. He's seen how much DD has improved being at her preschool this year (first year at any kind of school). She loves school. We don't want to hold her back. But I feel like it is either HS at this point (since the co-op is financially out), or public school but fight them for years on end about the amount of work they want kids to do, and the hours they require. I know they will allow us to only have her go even 2 hrs per day if we want, but come 1st grade they won't do that. She would have to go full day. And it seems unfair to her to get her excited about school and then have her stop going after K when the hours would bump up.

In addition my DD has not been vaxxed since 18 months I think? And would have to be caught up to attend the co-op (they won't accept opting out unless you belong to a legitimate religious organization known to refuse vaxxing ) or deal with the school about that.

I don't know what I am looking for...just any thoughts? Any options or points I might be missing? Thanks if you read this whole thing, btw, even if you don't respond.
1. Hugs. We are just getting ready to discuss pre-k and go through E's district eval. Its rough

2.She never "has" to go full day. You can HS and put her into public school part time. My oldest, SUPER academically oriented would-rather-read-than-play child had a hard time with the adjustment from play based pre-k to the intense academics in Kindy, and that was only a half day schedule. NO WAY would I throw my youngest into (now the only option) full day Kindy and expect her to do great. Not because she isn't smart or capable, but because that is just too much. Too much time with kids sitting RIGHT NEXT TO HER. Too much time sitting still and interacting with other kids. Too much.

3. The school shouldn't be able to challenge a religious exemption, even if your denomination isn't widely known for being anti-vax. Your theology may not be the same as the person in the pew next to you, even if you're part of the same congregation
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Old 04-14-2014, 08:14 PM
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I've been through the ringer with school options this year and looking into next year. I honestly had no idea that you could opt to send them half day. I would really like to know more about that /links etc. I'm going to be homeschooling my 5th grader next year, but so far my plan is to send Charlie to kindy at the public school. It's a good district with lots of resources. Very close to our house, but I still feel uneasy and almost expect him to not finish the year. I think if we could opt to do half days, there would be a much better chance of succeeding.
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If the co-op is considered private, they don't have to accept any religious exemptions.

Is that PS your only option? My PS third grader has tons of toys in his classroom, so I think that teacher is doing it wrong.
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Would it be possible to have her repeat pre-k for one more year, and then decide? Sometimes a year of maturity can make a world of difference in terms of being ready for academics, etc. At the very least, if you do end up homeschooling, it would give her another year of fairly guided social interaction and peer-play.
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Old 04-14-2014, 08:27 PM
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If the co-op is considered private, they don't have to accept any religious exemptions.

Is that PS your only option? My PS third grader has tons of toys in his classroom, so I think that teacher is doing it wrong.
I was referring to the PS. She'd mentioned not being thrilled about that process
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I've been through the ringer with school options this year and looking into next year. I honestly had no idea that you could opt to send them half day. I would really like to know more about that /links etc. I'm going to be homeschooling my 5th grader next year, but so far my plan is to send Charlie to kindy at the public school. It's a good district with lots of resources. Very close to our house, but I still feel uneasy and almost expect him to not finish the year. I think if we could opt to do half days, there would be a much better chance of succeeding.

Crap. I forget not everyone is in WA. The HS/public access thing is a hot button here. There are 10 states that require schools to allow HSers to participate. ( Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, North Dakota, Oregon, Utah, and Washington.)
In the other 40 it appears that you also have the option, but it is up to the discretion of the school district.
That being said, you can get reduced school hours into an IEP and run it that way.
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I would look into doing another year of PK. We did that for my youngest. Even at 6 the full work day of kindergarten was an adjustment. Shes NT. But if you do go the PS route for K- beyond, you can definitely adjust her day as needed. Breaks, shorter days, sensory tools in the classroom...etc.

HS is definitely something in our back pocket at all times. Inclusion is a wonderful thing, but it's still hard on our kids. They work a double curriculum. The physical and social demands take their toll. If the school has their game hat on and they re ready to bend over backwards to make this work, then it wouldn't hurt to try.
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Thank you all. You gave me some more to consider. I could look for another pre-school, though she will be 5, turning 6 halfway through the year. I'm not sure what place around here would accept a kindergarten aged child that would also follow our ideas about play based learning. It would be easier and cheaper to just HS and sign her up for some lessons or classes at that point. I thought the law stated a kid had to attend school (public or registered HS) at 5, but I just looked up our state's and it looks like it is actually 7?

And yes, the vaccination thing really peeves me about our co-op. When we started this year, there was no such rule. I actually sat in on the board meeting where they discussed adopting it. Let's just say I was not really happy to hear the two people pushing for it use language like "we can't let just anybody in here" or "those type of people" etc. Apparently they take issue with conscientious objectors. But that's a whole other story, and the reason we aren't sending my mostly unvaccinated youngest to the 3 year old class next year (in addition to the $$).
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Is that PS your only option? My PS third grader has tons of toys in his classroom, so I think that teacher is doing it wrong.
I have a good friend who teaches at a Montessori magnet public school near us, and her daughter is good friends with mine. I need to look into how to apply there. hmm
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The montessori is the way I would go. I tried for over a month to find a good montessori kindy for Charlie and I just couldn't make it happen.
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Crap. I forget not everyone is in WA. The HS/public access thing is a hot button here. There are 10 states that require schools to allow HSers to participate. ( Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, North Dakota, Oregon, Utah, and Washington.)
In the other 40 it appears that you also have the option, but it is up to the discretion of the school district.
That being said, you can get reduced school hours into an IEP and run it that way.
Well, I do know that I can have my homeschool kid take classes at the public school. My niece did art and I think jewelry making. I'll have to talk to someone about partial days next year for Charlie.
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