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Old 07-13-2014, 02:07 PM
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I know that kids 12+ are legally allowed in the front seat, but that are the parameters? My oldest is a numbers kid and if I give him something to shoot for. like how much should the kid weigh and how tall before being allowed to sit in the front? He will be 12 next month. I am certain he is not big enough to sit in the front, but he wants to know WHEN he can. he is currently 70 pounds and 4'7
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Old 07-13-2014, 02:30 PM
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In Texas, you have to be 13, but I believe the general CPST consensus is approximately 14 years old. I can ask Laurel (Jenga) if you'd like? She and I keep in touch.
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We've tried to find the law in Michigan and as far as we can tell, none actually exists stating an age or weight minimum. Our 10 year old is 100 pounds and 5' tall. We allow him to ride in the front occasionally. Have you googled your states laws?


Personally, I'd be more comfortable waiting a couple more years, but my husband argues that he's the size of a small adult already. Plus, when we are in the truck, he has no choice but to sit in front.
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I go by 5', 100 pounds. This is the rule we had to use when I worked in the group homes. When I worked in the elderly home, we had several really tiny adults and they used to get really ticked off because they couldn't sit in the front seat.

I was actually looking for this info the other day because Tabitha just turned 12. She and Victoria are both 4'10". Tabitha weighs a bit over 100 pounds. She is really muscular, especially in her butt and legs from roller derby. I know adult women who are Tabitha's size and sit in front, so it's a close call, I guess. When I was looking, I found this:

"Most states donít have a specific age for children to ride in the front seat of a vehicle, but many recommend for children to ride in the back seat as long as possible. Airbags are designed for the average adult male who weighs approximately 165 pounds. They canít provide adequate protection for children who are significantly smaller."

WTH? Many adults are lighter than 165.
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I go by 5', 100 pounds. This is the rule we had to use when I worked in the group homes. When I worked in the elderly home, we had several really tiny adults and they used to get really ticked off because they couldn't sit in the front seat.

I was actually looking for this info the other day because Tabitha just turned 12. She and Victoria are both 4'10". Tabitha weighs a bit over 100 pounds. She is really muscular, especially in her butt and legs from roller derby. I know adult women who are Tabitha's size and sit in front, so it's a close call, I guess. When I was looking, I found this:

"Most states donít have a specific age for children to ride in the front seat of a vehicle, but many recommend for children to ride in the back seat as long as possible. Airbags are designed for the average adult male who weighs approximately 165 pounds. They canít provide adequate protection for children who are significantly smaller."

WTH? Many adults are lighter than 165.
Wth? I know kids and adults have different bone structures but air bags are designed for an average 165lb person?!? That is ridiculous.
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Old 07-13-2014, 03:37 PM
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Texas doesn't have restrictions on who can sit in the front seat (I just checked to be sure). Heck, "all the seat belts were taken" is considered an affirmative defense to the law (see E-2 here). We have stupidly weak laws on the subject, at the state level anyway.

To answer the actual question, I was willing to do it with my 12-year-old because she's 5 feet tall and 100 pounds. I definitely wouldn't do it before the usual test to not be in a booster seat is passed. Safecar.gov says to turn off the air bag switch for people under 13, so take that into consideration. Here's a link (if you scroll down a bit) from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia on keeping kids safe in the front seat; this recommends no one under 13: http://www.chop.edu/service/car-seat...s/airbags.html
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Texas doesn't have restrictions on who can sit in the front seat (I just checked to be sure). Heck, "all the seat belts were taken" is considered an affirmative defense to the law (see E-2 here). We have stupidly weak laws on the subject, at the state level anyway.
I think where I got confused is on this link where, towards the bottom it says:

"Children are better protected the longer they can stay in each phase. Keep children in each seat up to the maximum age/weight/height limits before moving to the next phase. ALL children younger than age 13 years should ride properly restrained in the back seat."

It was my mistake for interpreting best practice as a law in this state.
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Old 07-13-2014, 05:16 PM
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We are in Ga and here its 12 and up can be in the front. So 100 pounds is the consensus?
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I go by 5', 100 pounds. This is the rule we had to use when I worked in the group homes. When I worked in the elderly home, we had several really tiny adults and they used to get really ticked off because they couldn't sit in the front seat.

I was actually looking for this info the other day because Tabitha just turned 12. She and Victoria are both 4'10". Tabitha weighs a bit over 100 pounds. She is really muscular, especially in her butt and legs from roller derby. I know adult women who are Tabitha's size and sit in front, so it's a close call, I guess. When I was looking, I found this:

"Most states donít have a specific age for children to ride in the front seat of a vehicle, but many recommend for children to ride in the back seat as long as possible. Airbags are designed for the average adult male who weighs approximately 165 pounds. They canít provide adequate protection for children who are significantly smaller."

WTH? Many adults are lighter than 165.
I dont even weigh that, lol
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We are in Ga and here its 12 and up can be in the front. So 100 pounds is the consensus?
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I dont even weigh that, lol
Better sit in the back seat.


The 5' 100lbs thing is funny. I have a sister who isn't 5' tall. Although I am pretty sure she weighs in at 100+lbs but not entirely sure on that. She is a kindy teacher.
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Fwiw, seats are designed at 145cm for the belt, however most adults under 5'2 still have issues with the belt fitting properly.
I once got a ticket for wearing a lab belt but not the shoulder belt despite the belt crossing over my neck. I guess it is better to get a broken neck than to be without the belt.

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I once got a ticket for wearing a lab belt but not the shoulder belt despite the belt crossing over my neck. I guess it is better to get a broken neck than to be without the belt.
Its actually more likely that you'd suffer a lower spinal injury and/or head injury wearing a lap belt only than a spinal injury from a shoulder belt.

But... there are products out there that can help position the shoulder belt properly.
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Its actually more likely that you'd suffer a lower spinal injury and/or head injury wearing a lap belt only than a spinal injury from a shoulder belt.

But... there are products out there that can help position the shoulder belt properly.
Do you have a link? I know i could use one!
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Its actually more likely that you'd suffer a lower spinal injury and/or head injury wearing a lap belt only than a spinal injury from a shoulder belt.

But... there are products out there that can help position the shoulder belt properly.
Totally agree. In fact, the belt being too close to your neck is a comfort thing. Totally acceptable fit and much less likely to be injured with the belt close to your neck than with the belt behind you.

Here's a video of a kid with just a lap belt, which is the same as putting the seatbelt behind you.

http://youtu.be/NTvadCM6IKk
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I think Carly's advice in your other thread about your oldest is good for this topic too. So I went ahead and copied her responses.

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Its generally best to aim for 4'9" (in fact, that is law in some states). That's just an average though and it depends on the vehicle too.

FWIW, the smallest "adult" crash test dummy that must pass in a vehicle without a booster is 5'2". Adults have mature bone structures though. A 12 year old does not.

Although, to be perfectly honest, if I were under 5" and 120lbs, I'd totally be using an Incognito myself. I like my internal organs. Bram will be using an Incognito (or similar) for the rest of his life because he'll never reach 5".
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12 year olds can still suffer from seat belt syndrome, especially ones under 4'9" with a poor fitting belt. A lap belt over the abdomen like that means a higher risk of internal and spinal injuries.
It was discussed in the other thread about adults and bone structure. So while many adults may be under 165 or under 5'2, their bone structure can handle a crash better than an adolescent.

My poor kid is going to be in the backseat for a very long time.
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I was not trying to say I want to put him in the front seat when he hits 12. HE wants to be there cause his friends can... I just want to present him with numbers on WHEN its safe for him to be up front! =)
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I was not trying to say I want to put him in the front seat when he hits 12. HE wants to be there cause his friends can... I just want to present him with numbers on WHEN its safe for him to be up front! =)
I posted what Carly said because she gave you some good guidelines for height and weight for boosters. In my mind, if it's not safe for him to be without a booster of some sort, it's probably not safe to be in the front seat. (As a child. Obviously we're not talking about adults.)

Like the others said, I'd tell him 5'0 AND 100 lbs.
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